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THE DR ROGER K LEIR
STORY AVAILABLE ON DVD FROM UNKNOWNCOUNTRY.COM
WILLIAM J BIRNES AUTHOR/PUBLISHER AND RESEARCHER
FROM UFOMAGAZINE.COM
INTERVIEWS DOCTOR ROGER K LEIR
Dr Roger Leir:
"Now there are plenty of people and I've seen lots
of them that have foreign bodies in them for
years, and eh they get encapsulated you see one of
the things that happens with foreign bodies such
as the world war two wounds when people where
filled with shrapnel eh the body reacts in such a
way as it isolates the substances from the rest of
the body and fibrous cells fibro sites go in and
they lay down a lot of fibrous tissue and they
just cocoon this thing, they wall it off and so if
you should go to take one out I mean you find a
big clump of fibrous tissue and inside you know
you finally find what you are looking for.
William J Birns:
"This is different though?"
Dr Roger Leir:
"This is different. I've never seen anything like
this in the 34 years that I have been removing
things from the foot. You just don`t see this kind
of thing, I mean here comes out things that are
covered with a very shinny dark grey well
organised membrane, I mean its like eh, its so
well organised its like going down to the drug
store and buying a black animate bag (laughs) you
know its that kind of tissue and it wraps around
the thee eh object that's within so tight when we
did the T shape object in 1995 we actually thought
that the T was just one piece. We had no idea it
was composed of just 2 pieces until it was taken
apart.
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Segment of interview on implant.
Dr Roger Leir:
"Again back to the one we removed on august 17th.
Because it was filmed I had to stay longer in
certain positions than I normally do in surgery
and I stood with this object on a surgery sponge
for quite some time because of the filming and I
literally watched it before my eyes shrink. It got
smaller and smaller and smaller. But then you know
we pack these things in a serum solution. and then
the serum is drawn from the individual, its your
serum thats you know packing your object. So when
it was put into the serum solution it like
dehydrated again.
William J Birnes:
"So there's a symbiosis going on?"
Dr Roger Leir:
Yes. Oh without a doubt. I mean I just watched
this thing. I stood there amazed you know waiting
to go on to the next thing.
William J Birnes:
"So when you, when you pack it with the serum
solution and you actually see this object getting
larger again, now that you know that its got these
very highly magnetic properties, the next time you
encounter something are there any tests you can
run prior to an extraction on sub dural magnetic
qualities in the area itself?
Dr Roger Leir:
Yes. One of the things that we've learned to do
and of course this is a learning curve, I mean you
start down the bottom and you gradually work your
way up. What we're doing now were using a Gauss
Meter and we'd use this on Paul's thumb because on
one of the previous surgeries were we did
coincidentally another one from the back of the
hand, it was putting out such a tremendous electro
magnetic field that it just pegged the Gauss
meter.
William J Birnes:
No kidding!
Dr Roger Leir:
So we said well what the heck, you know we'll do
that on Paul and see if he has got anything and
sure enough it was doing exact same thing, putting
out some kind of electro magnetic field. Then the
day of the surgery, with all the cameras there you
know they wanted to see it do its thing, we put
the Gauss Meter over it and it did absolutely
zero.
William J Birnes:
Wouldn't it be incredible if you tried to get a
magnetic signature for each of the implants?
Dr Roger Leir:
That would be a wonderful thing to do plus the
ability to do other testing on waveforms you know
if its putting out some kind of a wave form to be
able to detect it and see what part of the
spectrum its in and weather its an RF wave or you
know exactly what it is.
William J Birnes:
This is a passive signalling device.
Dr Roger Leir:
Yeah.
William J Birnes:
Because lets just say, lets just assume for a
second that these are alien, were assuming it.
right cause we don't` know but were assuming it.
So you assume for a second that its alien and you
say what is the function of these things? are they
surveillance mechanisms, are they radio tagging,
are thee specimen tagging, well are they sending
out a signal? well you don't know, but if they
were a... like an ultra violet light that's passed
over except instead of an ultra violet light its a
magnetic reader. Very sensitive tracking
individual waveforms, in other words each implant
symbiotic to the implantee has its own magnetic
signature, the same way a bar coded tag has its
own signature. So you know who your implanting,
where there going.
Dr Roger Leir:
That's a good possibility to eh, and those are
things that we can look for down the road and eh
we eh you know we will look for that sort of thing
but you mention ultra violet light and of course I
just can't help but add, eh we subjected these
things to black ultra violet light and all thee,
all the specimens, everything that we removed so
far with the exception of one which looked like a
piece of glass, all fluoresced under black ultra
violet light and the strange thing about the last
one Paul's specimen is that when it was removed
from the serum solution and it was put into a
drying container for 24 hours, we sent the vial of
serum solution with the pathologist to do the soft
tissue work up and he handed it off to his
technician who for whatever the reason ran it by
(laughs) ultra violet black light and guess what?
the serum was fluorescing.
William J Birnes:
Oh really? the serum itself?
Dr Roger Leir:
The serum itself was flourescing and I got a phone
call and they were very distressed because they
didn't know weather they should proceed.
William J Birnes:
Exactly because the theory is that the implant
itself is imparting something to the serum which
makes it fluoresced!
Dr Roger Leir:
That's correct. And we know that thee eh the
surface structure of the metallic portions of
these objects that we looked at so far by and
large contain a high content of phosphorous.
William J Birnes:
Interesting.
Dr Roger Leir:
So eh, again you see the elements that go along
with the surface technology, Bob Beckwith wants to
look at this and you know look at it from a
functional aspect.
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Segment of interview on implant.
Dr Roger Leir:
Who was Roger Leir before all this started?
Dr Roger Leir:
Eh, just a plain simple guy who came to the office
every day and eh and did my routine, of course
I've been doing surgery for 34 years and I've
removed about everything there is to remove from
the foot. I mean people step on things, glass,
paper, coral, metal. I even removed some eh super
secret metal at one time from a foot and I had eh
two lettered agents (laughs) standing there with
me and I had to turn the piece over. Of course
years later I found out those were materials for
machining rocket valves they were using for
rocket, but anyway im just a guy who is a
mechanic, I mean I come and I do my job and then
suddenly you know Im exposed to a very very
strange field..
William J Birnes:
Tell me about the exposure?
Dr Roger Leir:
Well again as I said I got into this by a set of
synchronicities. I eh, really I had a friend at
one time who said do you want to go to a MUFON
meeting and I said a what? a Muffin? sure I love
to eat, why not well go to see Mufon. So we went
to the Mufon meeting and the subject was quite
fascinating and eh I went back the next month and
then I kept going and you know it was a wonderful
set of lectures and it was local and it was cheap
so you know how could you go wrong (laughs). At
the same time this was going on my cousin who is a
very eminent psychological researcher at the
University Connecticut had written a set of books
on near death experience. And I didn't know that
the subject of his last book The Omega Project was
his quest to find a common psychological profile
between people who had near death experiences and
people who had UFO experiences. So we talked on
the phone and he said You read my book? I said ah
to be honest (smiles) I didn't read it. He said
well read it and see what you think.
So I read it and I was really blown away. So we
had further phone conversations and he said to me
I know longer have time to mess with the Ufo field
because im working on my next book and I have a
lot of material, if your interested in ufology I
would be happy to send all this stuff to you. So I
thought about it for a while and I said ok. So
hear came audio tapes, video tapes, books,
journals, articles, letters, just boxes of
material and I sat down and I started going
through it. So it was quite interesting. So then
eh I started writing a column for the local Mufon
Santa Barbara Ventura County in the capacity of
investigative reporter. And I would go to various
conferences and listen to the lectures and
critique them and write on it and eh that went on
for a while. And finally at one of the conferences
I met this 27 year researcher. He intimated that
the objects that were in the foot were implants
and I said yeah sure implants (laughs)
shminplants, you know. We do a lot of foot
surgeries were we take bones apart, put them back
together again and when we do this we use a lot of
metal. Wires, screws, pins, rods all sorts of
things. So what it looked like to me this patient
had a foot surgery and these were stabilization
devices that she had following the surgery and
they remain there. So I said to him when she have
her foot surgery? and he said she never had a foot
surgery.
And I said can you
prove that? and he said well as a matter of fact
and he reaches in to this giant case that he
travels around with and pulls out the medical
records, hands them to me and he said would you
like to look at these? and I said can I take them
to my room? and he says sure so I took them and I
went through them and they were complete set of
medical records from childhood to the age that the
pacient was at the present to the age that the
patient was at that particular time. And there was
no evidence that any foot surgery had been done
but there was the x-rays and there was eh notes
made by a Doctor who saw the x-rays and did
question the patient the same as I would of as to
when she had a foot surgery cause he thought they
were stabilization devices too. So I went back the
next day and I said you want to solve this
question and he said what do you mean? I said why
don't you just take the things out and see what
they are I mean isn't that simple? And he said yes
and im sure the lady would like to have that done,
the only problem is she doesn't have any health
insurance and she can't afford the surgery.
I said where does she live? he said she lives in
Texas and I said would she be willing to come to
California? and he said yes I think so. And I said
well I'll tell you what, you get her to California
and I'll do the surgery free. And he says you
really mean that? and I said yes I certainly do.
So he invited me to a presentation he was given
and he used this case at the presentation to
demonstrate part of this thing that he was doing
and eh at that time he asked for a volunteer who
might pay the air fare. So by the time the lecture
was over I got a call to come up to the podium, I
was introduced to a gentleman who was going to pay
for the air fare and he said I hope your serious
because were going to get her to California.
William J Birnes:
You know did he tell you about any of her previous
experiences as an abductee?
Dr Roger Leir:
No
William J Birnes:
Was she an abductee?
Dr Roger Leir:
She was an abductee that much I new. But he didn`t
tell me, I had no knowlwdge of any kind of
experiences this woman had. I had not seen her, I
hadn't looked at the part. All I had was a set of
X-rays.
William J Birnes:
And you didn't know who she was?
Dr Roger Leir:
Didn't know her, Didn't know her from adam.
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